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Well put, Tim. I do think it's time to forgive and move on, but it will take efforts from both sides. I think the UK would be best served attacking the global warming debate from the energy independence angle, which resonates powerfully here in the US. That is, alternative energy sources will free the US from foreign oil, so let's develop efficient green energy. All the harping about Kyoto is only going to cause resentment and pushback, not progress. I don't believe in the global warming argument, but I do believe in national security, and I think you'll find many Republicans would be favorable towards that argument.

That said, the UK has a role to play in the rapprochement as well. Namely, what is the Conservative Party policy on defense spending?

James Maskell

The reason why Brown went to meet Bush was because he was to become Prime Minister. We are sending Boy George to meet the most powerful man on the planet at the moment. Why arent we sending Cameron, our Leader?


Well put JF but I'm in full agreement only with slim hope. I do appreciate your efforts on this Tim.

I see this as a spiritual problem of sorts with weak and self-serving human nature. The GW issue is only going to increase with all the elements for sensationalist concerns and save-the-world fervor. The vanguard will have easy approval and prestige making it a religion of intolerance to dissent, with a very willing agenda-driven Leftist media establishing the emotionalism and powerful moralist atmosphere. I fear this may become a 'you're with us or against us' proposition.

At this point in my life I just don't have much hope with elected officials not firmly grounded in traditional values. A close relationship may be unrealistic and even intolerable considering the perceived moral and economic consequences if drastic measures are not soon undertaken. It may yet again end up a good and evil thing but there won't be Bush and Blair to blame.


"On the Republican side there is disappointment at the ways in which the Tories have appeared to play politics on Iraq."
I agreed with most of Tim's summary but take exception to this comment for the sole reason that after the way that both Bush and Blair played politics in the run up to the Iraq invasion the British electorate are more distrustful of the Republicans in the White House and politicians in general.

James Maskell, I usually find George Osborne insultingly called "Boy George" by Labour or Libdem supporters! Why not use a real thought out argument rather than petty insults to make your point.


I would hope that the Republicans and the Conservative Party can start to get along better as we have for so long in the past.
It's not a one way street and it will be interesting to see if Bushs team repent of the behaviour exhibited by Karl Rove to Michael Howard in particular which was childish to say the least.
Hopefully we can a mature relationship moving forward based on a more equal footing. I'm told that Guiliani is a bit of anglophile which must be rare for a Mayor of New York so I hope he wins the nomination.


At the moment the GOP seems to have forgotten its small-state philosophy. Let us hope that their fiscal conservatism returns.

scottish conservative

correct me if im wrong but is guilliani not on record as saying some pro-sinn fein/ira things in the past? less relevant now obvioulsy but hardly the politics of the anglophile.

Andrew Ian Dodge

Well the trashing of Bush during the last Presidential campaign by leading Tories and their youth wing didn't exactly endear them either. But its good to see that there seems to be a bit of warming in the overall party relationship.

Now if Tories can resist the temptation to overtly support one or other of the candidates in the primaries they might be ok.

James Maskell

Calm down Scotty. There are a fair few Tories who think George Osborne isnt ready for frontline politics, including me. Dont throw a strop because I called him Boy George. Incidentally his voice is still squeaky, thus the Boy reference.


British reporting today that Osborne's 'meeting' with Bush is much less than first seemed. Apparently more than a hundred other people will be at this 'meeting' too.George merely asked the Embassy to get him a ticket. An inept bit of spin.


James Maskell, still waiting for a valid argument to back up your insults!

James Maskell

Whatever I put here, you will never accept it as a valid argument.

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